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Posted by on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 12.32 pm

#1

This has left me a little confused. The earlier generated buzz was that the venue was planned to have a tight door. If this is being viewed as more of a cocktail/light eats venue where you can get reservations then that would seem to fly in the face of that concept? Someone care to illuminate?

Posted by james goldman on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01.14 pm

#2

the problem i’ve always had with having an exclusive venue in a hotel is that hotel guests can’t be denied.  whereas a standalone club can deny whomever.  so any schlub who can afford a room can now go to the boom boom room… this is a problem that venues in las vegas and atlantic city face… but the majority of nightlife in NY that is credible hasn’t been at the hotels but as standalone ventures sitting on their own shoulders.  instead of paying for two bottles to get in you’ll find people paying for rooms, flaunting their room keys, and paying for drinks at the bar…

Posted by frat boy slim on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 01.55 pm

#3

The debate about bottle service really cuts to the heart of an important dichotomy in the nightlife business. On one hand, especially in NYC, the nightlife industry is an incubator for the elusive concepts of “cool,” “exclusivity,” and “celebrity,” which are integral to popular culture and arguable society as a whole. On the other hand, they are businesses that sell a product – fun – to its customers.

I like bottle service venues because they provide me with a place I can have a great time – admittedly by paying a lot of money – by having good music and good looking women around me. If other clubs, such as hotels, want to start a different business model based on exclusivity and $25 cocktails, I wish them the best. The product that these clubs are selling is the opportunity to network with “cool” individuals and the validation of being in a place that not everyone can be. Nightlife industry folk did not like the bottle era because it diminished from the product they were shopping for at the expense of the product that I enjoy. If they prefer one business model over the others, that’s fine, but they should not delude themselves that their outlook is so different. Why can’t we have both in this city? I’ll keep putting down my credit card in Chelsea, and promoters can keep surrounding me with models. Meanwhile, you can stand in line at Goldbar and the Jane. Stop acting like it’s a civil war and just go to the places you like. Deal?

Posted by Mike on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 02.17 pm

#4

James, letting in all hotel guests is true of most, but not all venues; I believe Rose Bar allows you in as a guest until 9pm, then you need a reservation aka need to fit in.  I doubt the Boom Boom Room will let people in from the hotel...they might send them downstairs to the Biergarten.  I don’t even like Vegas nightlife because it’s all hotel guests from trailer parks in Alabama who go out...okay I’m exaggerating but you know what I mean.

Posted by DBTH on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 02.32 pm

#5

It’s confusing because he makes it up as he goes along.

Posted by on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 04.10 pm

#6

Mike,

I thought that a room key at Rose got you access as a lone individual regardless of time, then again, I’ve never stayed at the hotel so wouldn’t know. In any event, I think that the point remains relevant as Rose has remained a credible nightlife venue for some time now.

That being said - the Standard is liable to be both a bigger and more inexpensive hotel, so to that point it is perhaps harder to replicate exactly what Rose has done - but something analogous should be feasible with a bit of creativity. Though frankly why do you have to provide access to everyone staying at the hotel? Particularly in light of the amount of buzz about the space being a potential game changer for NYC nightlife (one of the few things that Scott and Steve seem to have agreed upon).

Posted by james goldman on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 04.18 pm

#7

guy walks up to door with room key dressed appropriately and w/ date, hi i’m so and so guest of hotel, here’s my room key… are they really going to say no like a spot where these obligations don’t have to be met? say goldbar, eldridge, avenue, etc?

Posted by on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 04.40 pm

#8

They don’t say no, they merely say ‘Private party.’

Posted by not on Tue Sep 22, 2009 at 10.11 pm

#9

Things have changed at Rosebar - all it takes is “I am a hotel guest” and they look up your name and let you in.

Posted by on Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 10.01 am

#10

Not - It is nonetheless still not a bad venue. There are only a handful of places I would rather go.

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